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  1. IonLowell says:

    Quote is a bit wrong here.

    Washington never said “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible”

    Here’s the correct quotation

    “Since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained: And since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of Government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.”

    One can govern a nation rightly without God and the Bible so long as they are a good, caring human being.

    Morals aren’t property of the Bible.

  2. Dave Eden says:

    It appears you are right. Good researching. This quote isn’t as confirmed in original documents as other quotes. Tho, as this essay suggests, it is consistent with his character & a possible ruff paraphrase.

    But you don’t care about that. Your point? Leaders (& you) can rule well without God’s help or His history. Sure they (& you) can. Truth is truth. All kinds of leaders have had great wisdom. But I believe God gave it to them. Just as he gives you your intellect & personality. The Bible is the history of His greatest interventions in our world. And His invitation to know Him personally… before we meet Him Face to face.

    So you can arrogantly quip we hate facts, & you guys love facts & accuracy & truth & wisdom? Someday we’ll know who really did.


    • RainbowDashTrash says:

      The fact is that you not only misquoted him but also took his words out of contexts. George Washington was a Diest who didn’t believe in the bible and only thought that America should be a Christian nation because it was easier to control the masses that way. The war changed him and gave him a dark and horrible view of the world in which people were innately evil and needing to be controlled by a thought-crime enforcing fascistic dictator who had ultimate power and with a reign so secure that if anyone even dare question his divine right to rule would be cast into a lake of fire.

      And even if Washington did say that it would be idiotic as many great nation have existed before the birth of Christ or the creation of the bible.

      Finally, it’s not that you don’t hate facts: it’s that you don’t need them. You have automatic confirmation in your belief through faith so that you can’t possibly be disproven because even all the evidence is against you, you’ll always believe even if you’re wrong.

  3. Dave Eden says:

    RDT: You’ve no idea how much my faith is built on facts. Facts you won’t believe. But keep belittling all believers, present & historical; keep impugning their character & intelligence: It’ll help you sleep at night and die smiling. Maybe.

    Plenty of other quotes from George the Deist, who trusted the God you hate. Here’s just 1:
    “I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which was so often manifested during our Revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them.”

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