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But it its genetically inbred. People are born gay. It’s not a choice.
I’m an ex-gay. I chose to be that way, but the gay agenda…..er “community” won’t allow that choice.
Another interesting stance among the “LGBT” gang is the notion that “transgendered” people have a choice to change their gender; but once gay, always gay. Very interesting contradictions there.
I should also note that the notion that being homosexual is genetically inbred does not fit the pattern of all other traits that we know scientifically are genetically inbred, like certain illnesses, body type features, blood types, etc. In other words, while families often have more than one person who is gay, there’s no pattern that can determine genetics as the underlying factor – just as there’s no underlying genetic factor for left-handedness.
It’s not science that has determined that homosexuality is genetically inbred, it’s politics and collective social pressure that has.
Just one more observation, Rose, for clarity on my position.
I spent more than half my life in the “gay community.” I’m now approaching 50. In that community there’s an inherent disdain for anything scientific that might show homosexuality to be anything less than genetic. There’s also heavy pressure among gays to force science towards the gay agenda view on homosexuality. In fact, it wasn’t until a very heavy gay lobby and gay pressure that the APA determined to exclude homosexuality as a mental illness.
I don’t happen to believe it is a mental illness either, but for reasons different than what that particular gay agenda forced on the APA.
The pro-gay movement began with tolerance as the banner towards acceptance. Today the gay community is decidedly intolerant of any view outside the gay mainstream; such that I as a person who still has same-sex attraction, would never be able to have my opinions published in a gay publication.
So the odds are against findings that homosexuality is anything but genetically inbred, not because of the science, but because of the heavily influential gay lobby and the social ostracizing of any other view. The gay lobby has won, but the gay lobby is anything but correct.
Today there are still millions of people, male and female who are “in the closet” with their homosexuality. That very phrase (in the closet) is intended to be a putdown of anybody who does not intend to engage in the fight for gay rights. There’s hardly any tolerance in that catch phrase.
Furthermore, and this is the clincher: Gays don’t believe that they had any choice in being gay, but they certainly believe that a person who currently identifies as “straight” can become gay. In fact it’s quite a fantasy among gay males to be able to convert a straight man.
If our culture really understood all the inconsistencies and the heavily emotional/anti-science and anti-common sense meme inherent in the gay community, we would not be on the verge of redefining the millennia old traditional meaning of marriage.
People are not born gay. There is no scientific proof. Show me the study that says people are born gay. I’m waiting.
That is one of the most stupid arguments that’s ever been put out there. There is no genetics involved in being homosexual” queer perverted imbecile” is totally impossible. Nature has one rule for any species to survive it must reproduce. The law of natural selection cannot be broken and that is exactly why homosexuality could never be a genetically passed on trait.
It’s really quite simple, boy + boy = 0, girl + girl = 0! They cannot reproduce henceforth they cannot pass on this type of a trait. I have no problem if two guys want to play hide the salami in the privacy of the bedroom as long as it stays in the bedroom and they don’t try to recruit or justify their actions with a lie. It’s like a couple of girls plan lickety-split no problem as long as they don’t try to justify it with the stupid statement I was born this way.
Keep your perversions under control out of the mainstream, out of politics, out of her schools and away from our children. I have as much of a problem with this segment of society forcing their beliefs on other people, I have the same problem with organized religion. Don’t force personal beliefs on other people and then get angry if these people stand up and tell you to get out of their face and leave them alone.
Sorry Rose, but that’s just the pile you’ve been shoveled. There’s no such scientific evidence. But if it were true, that people are born with a same-sex desire? Then you are locking them into that lifestyle! So: gays must come out of the closet & into their gayness? But they must never come out of their cage & into freedom?? If it’s not a choice—Then they have no choice! They must obey their every lust & longing! And where does that ever end?
And does that mean some of us are born heterosexual? But for how long? Until we get tempted to seek sexual comfort from our same sex? Then we say: we’re born gay! And can never go back! Huh? “Once gay always gay?” “Once straight never straight?”
Yes, we know it’s true, some of us are born with a genetic bent. Born more prone to alcoholism, or promiscuity, or addictive habits, or emotional dependence. But does that mean we can’t overcome these & shake free? How depressing & condemning is that? Why love the lie that people can’t change, can’t choose? Why not admit that your bent is in your jeans, not your genes?
Amen to that! Once I determined that I had choices, I came to the realization of just how irrational the gay agenda is. I began to see all of the inconsistencies that you have highlighted above.
The sad outcome of this is that therapies showing promise towards healing are repressed by the gay lobby. I can’t get the help that I desire. My insurance won’t cover it, even though it’s available (though quite expensive). I can’t afford to pay for it. The intolerant gay lobby has made certain through political maneuvering that being gay is not a choice.
Ok, new guy, Sanity, here so I have to assume some things but couldn’t resist this cartoon first.
If you aren’t Christian I don’t expect you to believe “pray the anything away”. With everything, temptation/judgment to do or not do something is a continuous choice (oops, not supposed to use that word)
It doesn’t mean the temptation is never there. Once Pandora’s box of experience has been opened, it is a different battle all together. I know my addictive nature, so I’m never opened the door to drugs for instance. A Saint doesn’t have any idea what this sin or that addiction is truly like, they just absolutely know it is not worth experiencing it to prove the obvious.
‘Born that way’, ‘Man-caused environment problems’, ‘your Party is worse than mine’…
These are ALL things that mainstream media and even ‘science’ has NEVER proven or will ever allowed to be proven. ‘Science’ used to prove the Earth was flat, so it is “what science has proven so far”.
Thanks to scare-tactics, exaggerated science (Florida under water yet?) and yelling by everyone, a sane person truly cannot trust everything either side says.
You’re absolutely right. Science is tentative at best. That’s why we call it empirical. It depends first on philosophy and interpretation of data, both deductive and inductive. The only science that is more than merely tentative is mathematics. This is why in mathematics there is proof, while in the natural sciences there is only confirmation via evidence and interpretation; not proof.
If science today confirms that homosexuality is genetically determined, that confirmation can be cancelled out by future evidence to the contrary. Right now because of the gay lobby, science is not permitted to confirm anything other than that homosexuality is genetically determined. That position is decidedly anti-science, as is man made global warming. Science has not determined that humans cause global warming, politics has. I’m open to further study to determine that it is man made, but we haven’t arrived there yet.
My prediction is that it will take about ten years for us to realize just how wrong we were on global warming; while we may never reach any conclusions on homosexuality due to the current and foreseen future political backlash against any scientific approach. There doesn’t seem to be much hope for future sanity in that area.
I prayed about my alcoholism and God led me to AA where I learned to be honest about who I am..bisexual woman attracted to other women. I felt led by God’s Spirit to come out of hiding and accept myself as I am. I struggled and tried to change myself for many years. Now I realise that I am attracted to the same sex and it is only a tiny bit of who I am, God didn’t change it and if I had had a choice I would have…but I couldn’t. Now I accept myself as I am. Thats the only choice I see in this.
PS I have a mundane life. I am not raging and converting other people to bisexuality. It makes me laugh that you think the LGBT community is such a threat. Goodness, get to know some LGBT christians and stop fighting, stop hating, stop the anger and malicious mockery and find some peace even if you disagree.
Karen, thanks for your story. You’ve had some battles & some victories. And I know it’s not been easy. I appreciate your humble non-combative attitude. But you’d be surprised at the militancy & ferocity with which gay activists operate- to change, marriage, education, society, laws, etc.
I agree, I should get to know more gays. Those I know have been “set free” & we share our stories & struggles. I’ve had my own hetero temptations & torments. We all fight against this self-pleasing, self-destructive, doubting nature. That’s why Jesus came, right? To forgive us & give us His new nature? You’re already discovering some of that at AA. I celebrate you, Karen. My only prayer for you is not to talk you into or out of anyTHING, but that you’d keep seeking the KING… the Real Jesus. Only He can surprise us all with the power to change our addictions into devotion. Maybe make our mundane lives magnificent.
I’m sure if we sat down over lunch (not just over one of my sarcastic toons) & shared our stories, we’d get along. I assure you, I’ve no hatred or anger toward you. And I have a great peace that God loves us unconditionally & is passionately pursuing us for our eternal best.
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